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Ranting
By dr k (Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 01:33:59 PM EST) (all tags)
I didn’t watch the State of the Union. Why bother? Bush has nothing to say that won’t be reiterated in the talking points of the evening news, pro and con, for the next 48 hours. After that, it’s back to the Michael Jackson trial, and Iraq.

I skimmed the speech, or at least the official text. It doesn’t include any “boos� from the Democrats. It’s all pretty much lame duck stuff, a gripe here about the appointment of judges, a paragraph there about heterosexual marriage. Some very muted remarks about Iran, and some very blatant lies about Social Security. The same administration that spent the Social Security surplus last year is now concerned about the system going bankrupt?



But today I want to rant about civil war in Iraq, which, by the way, is already upon us. Forget all the nonsense about the “democratic elections� and the assemblies and the constitutions, the euphemistic “insurgency� is now, thanks to a politically significant election, nothing less than a Civil War. Two sides, one country. Let’s call a spade a spade.

I think Americans feel protective towards, or take a certain kind of pride in the idea of civil war. After all, the American Civil War was so glamorous, there was a “just cause�, there were battlefields and heroes and gangrene, and now 150 years of reflection. Americans don’t want civil war to be low, to be common and filthy and abhorrent. But what else can you call it? There are the politically enfranchised, Allawi and that bunch, who maintain their power with the support of the American coalition, and there are those who seek a political rule that is not supported by the coalition, and they use violence to express their struggle. And for a long time now, the insurgents have been fighting against their fellow Iraqi citizens, by attacking the coalition trained police forces. Civil war.

Okay, that’s it, end of rant. I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 the other night, and contrary to all the blather I’ve heard, it isn’t just a diatribe against Bush. There is a nice argument in there about the relationship between the poor and poorly educated and the military’s insatiable need for new recruits. Even National Public Radio and the Democrats buy into this scheme, just the other day I heard Gen. Wesley Clark encouraging young people to serve their country by enlisting. The powerful thing about what Michael Moore has to say is that there must be ethical considerations in how we command those who serve. Greater good and all that.

Did you know that part of No Child Left Behind Act requires schools to provide the addresses of students to military recruiters?

Today's mystery question: A man was killed by a gunshot wound. He was found in a car with the windows rolled up and the doors locked, but there was no gun inside the car. How was he killed?

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mystery question answer by cam (2.00 / 0) #1 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 02:18:54 PM EST
He was driving an M1 Garand.

cam
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What's your beef? by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 02:50:15 PM EST
So the recruiters get some names and addresses, so what?

The kids who want to join up will do it, the ones who don't will decline the offer.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs



politics as usual by dr k (2.00 / 0) #5 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 04:24:35 PM EST
With anything people try to sell, there are always little distortions that go along with the marketing. Military recruiting is no different, some recruiters will say just about anything to get people to sign up. You want some sort of free market, but one that lacks any ethics. The result: Abu Ghraib. Young, resentful soldiers who hate their jobs, who hate the war, who hate Iraqis. Do you enjoy their photos?

For the most part, public education is out of the hands of the gov't, and a gov't with pro-military interests would love to get control over the schools for the benefit of the military. There's no interest in education here, and only a vague concern for the common welfare. Yet NCLB has been marketed as an educational reform.

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Sorry... by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #10 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 12:20:08 AM EST
Where's "here"?

For the most part, public education is out of the hands of the gov't
In the U.S., the vast majority of schools are operated by the government, so I don't quite understand your comment.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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by "operated" by dr k (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:06:58 AM EST
do you perhaps mean "funded"? Schools are generally operated by teachers and principals and superintendents, with some oversight by locally elected school boards, who allocate local tax dollars on their own authority, subject to various regulations that vary from state to state. There are federal funds as well, but nothing so definite that you could say that the federal government, and not the state or the county or the city government operates the schools. But when the federal government comes into a local (and likely poor) school district and demands the names of all high school seniors, so they can be recruited for the military, well that's really giving a big "fuck you" to the teachers and the principals and the superintendents who actually spend time in the classrooms. Next on the slippery slope is mandatory military service for people who fail English.

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Operated by the State government. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:15:17 AM EST
Funded by taxpayers.

Here in Washington, we have an elected State Superintendent of Public Instruction, who dictates how our public schools are operated.
That position's been in our state constitution since it was crafted.

Furthermore, while daily activities are run by persons on the school staff, the school board oversight is complete, a point which you casually dismiss.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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by "complete" you mean by dr k (2.00 / 0) #17 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:21:04 AM EST
they have cameras in the classrooms, and computer chips in the brains of the teachers? Every book, every worksheet, every disciplinary session is overseen by the school board? Please excuse my incredulity.

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You're excused. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #19 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:37:19 AM EST
cameras in the classrooms
Check.

computer chips in the brains of the teachers
No, not yet. That's a technological limitation.

Every book
Check.

every worksheet
Check.

every disciplinary session
If a parent chooses to appeal it, yes.

It seems clear to me that you're not familiar with our progressive educational system.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Sorry Dave by creo (2.00 / 0) #9 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 11:27:42 PM EST
You know thats not true. It would be true if they were calling people like you and me with life experience - but think back to the people you knew when leaving school.

Some are mature enough to make that decision, some will just say fuck it and join up for the hell of it and some don't know how to say no, especially when the recruiter puts on the pressure.

If people want to join up, then fine. Let them call the recruiters and get the spiel. The ones who get pressured, well, they make the worst servicemen (generally - some actually thrive).

Also, remember I'm not anti military. I served too.

Cheers
Creo.

"I shall do what I believe to be right and honourable" - Guderian
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I don't disagree with your points. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 12:24:36 AM EST
However, short of the genuinely developmentally-disabled, people ought to defend their own choices.
I'm tired of the morons who appeal for pity with their pleas of ignorance.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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oh how cute! by dr k (2.00 / 0) #12 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 01:46:30 AM EST
Blame the ignorant for their ignorance. Some day you'll grow up.

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I believe in personal responsibility. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:06:42 AM EST
You seem to be spoiling for some sort of fight.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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personal responsibility by dr k (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:17:06 AM EST
is pure poison. One cannot acquire personal responsibility without interacting with other people, and when the other person is some fuckhead who says, "Oh, don't expect pity from me you ignorant toad," then that fuckhead isn't setting a very good example of personal responsibility. You don't become responsible as if by magic, you get there with the help and tolerance of other people. I'm sorry your mother doesn't love you.

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You're correct. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:32:15 AM EST
She doesn't love me, because she's dead.

Personal responsibilty also requires a bit of trust in strangers, so I'm sorry that you're not familiar with that sort of trust.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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"trust in strangers" ??? by dr k (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:25:43 AM EST
Please clarify re: the subject.

A mother's love, in the abstract, is not concerned with verb tense, or even correct noun-age. I'm sorry no one raised you with any real affection. Prez Bush has a place in his Cabinet for poor orphan boys like you.

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I was a killing tool of the state. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #21 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:32:53 AM EST
If you cut me, do I not bleed?

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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Duh! by CrocoStimpy (2.00 / 0) #3 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 03:00:34 PM EST
He was shot - that's how he was killed.

Oh, I suppose you're really asking how the murderer stuffed his dead body into a car, rolled up all the windows, locked the door, and then closed it.



Answer by hershmire (2.00 / 0) #4 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 03:02:24 PM EST
And I quote:
A man was killed by a gunshot wound.
No sig, no sorry.


Yet another smart-arse answer by ajf (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 05:04:14 PM EST
Remote-controlled central locking really takes the fun out of a "locked door, closed window" puzzle.

"I am not buying this jam, it's full of conservatives"


The American Civil War was glamourous? by thenick (2.00 / 0) #7 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 08:08:10 PM EST
Is that what 7,000 soldiers killed in 20 minutes is called? I'm sure the hundreds of thousands killed from 1861 to 1865 would have much rather preferred the Civil War to be as common and filthy and abhorrent as the Iraq War.

 
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"'Vengence is Mine', quoth Alvis. And then he shot the guy, right in the freaking face!"


reenactments by dr k (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 08:28:45 PM EST
I think anything that motivates thousands of people to dress up in period clothes and run around in a field somewhere in Pennsylvania reenacting an historic battle qualifies as glamorous. Romance! Excitement! I hope that the hundred thousand Iraqis who have already died will be remembered in a like manner some day.

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Maybe glamorous by thenick (2.00 / 0) #22 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:11:59 AM EST
But about as accurate at Stevie Wonder at a shooting range.

Question: Where does the 100k dead Iraqis come from? I've heard that a few times, but never read from where it was cited.

 
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100k dead Iraqis by dr k (2.00 / 0) #23 Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 01:53:42 PM EST
comes from nearly two years of bombing, shooting, more bombing, wholesale slaughter by terrorists, prison riots, precision bombing, disease, and so on.

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Um, by thenick (2.00 / 0) #25 Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 08:20:20 AM EST
That's not a citation.

 
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okay okay by dr k (2.00 / 0) #26 Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 04:46:38 PM EST
Excuse the grim humor. A good place to start would be Wikipedia: Invasion and occupation of Iraq casualties. This has a summary of the study printed in The Lancet. Note that the numbers in the study are qualified in various ways, and the conclusion relates to the excess number of people who died violent deaths since the invasion, with the implication that violent deaths can be due to actual warfare, or an increase in crime, or increased participation in crime, &c.

Also interesting is the survey of returning soldiers, which estimates that 41,000 civilians were killed by military personnel.

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Not so fast. by ti dave (2.00 / 0) #24 Sat Feb 05, 2005 at 03:21:04 AM EST
Though the majority were armed with smooth-bored muskets, there were plenty of "Sharpshooter" units on both sides, armed with very accurate rifles.

Read about Antietam for a look at the carnage on the battlefield.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

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